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article saying republicans would hit steep cuts hitting the pentagon. here is how the defense sector is fairing right now. shall we take a look if we don't have that, we will bring it to you when we do. john harwood, live in washington. hi, john. >> there is no more clarity around this budget sequester situation than there is about the italian elections that michelle was talking about earlier. you've got many republicans as well as democrats saying, either publicly or privately, oh, it's not that bad. if you're a democrat will it cut defense. some say okay, it'll cut spending overall. that's fine too. you have president obama with public pressure trying to convince the american people that bad things are going to happen and put pressure on republicans. he also sent senate remarks in the morning to the white house a way out for both sides. >> democrats, like me, need to acknowledge that we're going to have to make modest reforms in medicare if we want the program there for future generations and if we hope to maintain our ability to invest in critical things like education, research a
's not going to be any opportunity to cut pentagon spending in any serious way if you don't go over the cliff. so there is some stuff in there that i as a democrat don't like. but i think everybody's going to put something in the pot in order to balance the deficit. we did a lousy job in january on the tax side and i hope that -- i think it's better to go over the cliff than do a lousy job -- >> how many people do you know on your side of the field who actually agree with you? >> very few. look they're politicians. they want to spend as much money as they possibly can and they don't want to pay for it. >> who agrees with you? >> oh, i don't know. i bet -- oh, god, joe agrees with me. >> you forgot. the other thing, howard, and i'm just alluding to it, there will be no return to the bush era tax rates on anyone under $400,000? >> right. >> okay. so take that amount of money, whatever that is per year. how much do you need -- how many loopholes do you need to close? what is the marginal rate have to be on people above 400 to replace that potential revenue? it's 100%, isn't it? >> but i don't --
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